FIFA World Cup 2010 - Can a non-traditional high developed country successfully host a World Cup? (Non-traditional high developed is assumed as Germany, Italy, England, France, USA, etc.)
Ladies and Gents,
I recently completed a 4th Year Undergrad paper focusing on the factors that South Africa faces to host a successful World Cup (with the key focus on Stadiums/Infrastructure investments). We all know that SAF10 and Brazil 2014 are being hosted by non-typical host nations.
I just wanted to open a discussion to get some of your views, opinions and arguments. If you'd like to read the paper (14 pages, quite short, do not hesitate to ask).
Personally, I considered the following factors:
- Current Facility Infrastructure (pre-investments, non WC related)
- Host Nation Study (Population, Size, Economy, etc.)
- Legacy Study (including established spectator sport leagues)
So the real question is, should FIFA even consider nations such as South Africa or Brazil, or focus on hosting the "World" Cup in top nations only?? Comments (12)
1.Clifford Sturmey
Owner, Games For Fun
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Sport is for all, and it could be suggested that if only the top nations are allow competing for the hosting, it would be deemed elitist. I assume FIFA wish for infra-structure in under developed countries to instigate change and the provision of sporting facilities to be utilized long after a tournament has been played.
Brazil provide us with the players of a high technical skill that every domestic teams wish to aspire to so I am surprised at the comment that they are not a natural option to host, if anything, it is the USA that are non typical hosts and they are still getting their national league established.
I would be interested in reading your papers to ascertain the intelligent interpretations of studies, as I am very much a hands on grass-roots practical guy dealing with the day to day approach to coaching and developing the younger generations.
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Looking forward, to other people's comments on this subject matter.
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2. Jan Egert
Graduate Student at Laurentian University
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Clifford, by non-typical nation, I don't mean a under-developed soccer nation. I agree, Brazil is highly involved and influential in the soccer/football world. The term non-traditional/typical, is more in concern to the everyday on goings in the host nation. It is quite clear that Germany, France, USA, etc are much stronger socially, economically and politically than South Africa and Brazil.
I should have clarified previously,
Thanks for the comment! I will send my paper as soon as I can,
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3. Mark Snead
Technical Services Specialist
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Jan, Do you mind sending me a copy of your paper? I went to the World Cup in Germany in '06. I think the country was well prepared and handled every aspect that I'm aware of very well. I wanted to go to SA this summer, but I don't feel the country is capable of making it safe enough for citizens from every country. I think Brazil is kind of in the same boat, but hoping that by 2014 things will be better and I can make the trip.
Please email the paper to: mark.snead@gmail.com
Regards, - Mark Snead
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4. Clifford Sturmey
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For terrorists, there is no better platform than the England v USA on the 12th June. Since the draw anyone would have plenty of time to plan anything against what could be described as 2 of the most hated countries in the world.
The very fact that you can be killed by a hit and run drunk driver more easily, it comes down to our own prudence if we get in to the wrong areas at the wrong time in S.A.
A contact of mine has already advised on Jo-bo, nice in the day, but the centre of the city is a no-go area, and the fact that if you have an open window down and stopped at traffic lights, as a westerner you have the ingredients of being robbed and knifed.
When the year 2000 came in we were supposedly had the opportunity ot airplanes dropping out of the sky as the computer may not work with the change over from 1900 to 2000.
We can worry over everything. Enjoy the experience not everyone can get to the world cup, but everyone has been worried about the safety, hence why the ticket allocation was not taken up.
I was being offered tickets late last year as the S.A.'s were more interested in getting the dollar rather that watch the game, so it is going to be interesting to see what happens.
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5.Houssemeddine Zarrouk
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Hi Jan do you mind sending me a copy of your paper?
As a Tunisian I am really concerned with this matter because country such as Tunisia Morocco South Africa, which were candidate for World Cup 2010 are not perceived as country where a WC championship can be held in some points this is true (Criminality in SA, no appropriate sub-structure in Tunisia) but I think the real issue will be security because even in “developed” country e.g. France 98 two police men were killed.
“Football is for every one” but the WC is only for country how can handle it and can provides security for all its participants.
We hope we will not see accident like in Angola African cup 2010 with the terrorist attack against Togo soccer/football team which caused 3 human lost and the no-participation of the Togo to this championship.
Zarrouk.15@hotmail.com
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6. Debra G. Bonaminio
Managing Director, Erie Admirals S.C.
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Although I am quite pleased that Africa is finally hosting a major world sporting event, I have great reservations concerning venue/facility completion, crime and corruption and the potential for terrorism.
These issues are by no means reserved for a continent like Africa, as Greece faced many of the same issues leading up to the 2004 Summer Olympics and there are some questions starting to be raised concerning Sochi's preparations for the 2014 Winter Olympics; however, as Houssemeddine stated previously, there is the potential for attack on teams as well as spectators/journalists/officials as was seen at the Africa Cup of Nations. It is well documented that South Africa suffers from police and governmental corruption - if those charged with protection are part of the problem then what can one do?
That said, the success and failures (if any) will be a referendum on the ability of emerging countries/continents to develop, prepare and host mega events and the willingness of governing bodies (IOC, FIFA,UEFA, etc.) to award the hosting privileges.
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7.Dédre Grassini
Partner/Manager, Meerkat Manor South Africa
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Hi All, I am a white female South African, I have lived in SA for 25,5 years and in the UK London for 4,5years. I am currently living in South Africa. In all the years that I have lived here I have never personally been robbed, attacked, hi-jacked or assaulted. Yes, I do say my prayers every night, and I also follow the basic rules of safety that applies to living in SA. I have tickets to a number of games for the World Cup including the opening match and I am looking forward to watching it. I think this whole crime/safety issue around the WC is being blown out of proportion by the world media.
Yes, there are certain rules for safety when visiting SA. I will be happy to share these with you if you decide to stay in one of our properties. Visit us at www.meerkatmanorsa.com All our properties have security measures in place.
We recently had a crew from Univision TV come to visit us. Their task was to assess and report back to HQ as to whether they think SA is able to host the WC. They told us that they were very surprised to find roads and cities and very friendly people in SA! The media has made SA such a horrible place; I bet every foreign visitor is in for a pleasant surprise!
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8. Roberto DeAndrade
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My dear, when you talk of a World Cup and mentions that they should be only developed countries, shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport itself. What is football for Africans and for the Brazilians, I can say is more than you can imagine one day. We're talking about one thing (for example) showed that the Brazilians are the number one in the world, hence, no reason and common sense, your question. In Africa is also playing good football and there is danger in any country in the world today, we have examples of bombs in Spain, the terrorist attacks in England, Israel, US., whatever you go there. I do not want to see your papers because we foresee that are based on other grounds and not on the principal that is the sport football/soccer, one in which everyone should have an opportunity. Currently I live in Brazil but have resided in the U.S. also and I know Europe and other continents and everyone should have their opportunity to host a World Cup. I hope that after this 2018 (England) Qatar has its own time and then to Russia too. Check your assumptions, because they are going against the hand of mankind.
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9. Jan Egert
Graduate Student at Laurentian University
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Roberto, I apologize, but to be honest, I think you misunderstood the basis of the study. The study was not to argue that South Africa or Brazil is unable to host a World Cup based on their desire and interest in the game. The basis of the study was simply to try and grasp an understanding if the cost of the facility infrastructure required to hosting a mega event is something that will lead to long-term benefit in such countries.
A key component of the study is that South Korea and Japan built 17 new facilities, upwards of 3.3 billion USD in cost. Currently, these facilities attain high attendances of about 33% of total capacity. I personally believe that Japan and South Korea is now littered with so-called "White Elephants".
This paper is not deemed to attack the safety, or economic standards, or soccer teams, or human beings - it is simply a study to try and understand what constitutes a "successful business-world cup".
The point I have for you, Roberto, is - if you are concerned with going against the hand of mankind - the 1.6 billion USD invested into the construction of Football-specific stadiums. Currently, South Africa does not possess a major spectator sports league, nor does it have the demand to fill stadiums that average capacity of approx. 57,000 seats. So if these stadiums become "White elephants" and only fill 15,000 seats, should the 1.6 billion USD not be invested to try and foster growth in human development in these nations? Should the priorities be in high S risk/high-reward situations, or should the budget be employed to solve problems such as 50% of the population living below poverty.
By no means, am I taking your comment as a personal attack - however I truly believe that if you are confident in making a bold statement such as " check your assumptions, because they are going against the hand of mankind", then I feel you are simply looking at the "feel good component" of nations hosting a world cup. If the financial burden was not an unimaginable sum, and the potential for reward was larger, then I would be the first to support that the World Cup be held in every continent. Unfortunately, that is not the case, as the burden quite often outweighs the success. I am sorry, but the world is built on business, and is judged on money.
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10. Roberto DeAndrade
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Dear, I think I understand very well placed. I mean that each case must be treated separately and when you put Brazil in the football business is not profitable I disagreed. About Japan and Korea enjoy even agree that there they will take some time to fill their stadiums with football only, more like we're talking about doing these enterprises are profitable, it is different. They must understand that the stadiums or arenas to be used for maximum events, conventions, concerts, football games, etc.. So that they can be profitable all want and need.
About the World Cup in Africa, also resembles the situation, the more they need it to improve as people, as a nation, then it seems fair to give them this opportunity and then take people with enough knowledge to move these "white elephants" I speak profitably move.
And finally about Brazil, you are sadly mistaken if you think this 2014 World Cup will not give the expected return, you unite to his knowledge, she has closed sponsorships that make the most profit made in the World (did you know that?) Picture when things really begin to roll, to develop, Brazil with this World Cup will be within a few years the 5th nation in the world economy and in football should considerably improve its operating mode, meaning that we finally administrations 1st world. It will then be a football before the World Cup and another after the World Cup. Sorry for my English, but I think we can be administratively operational, even without mastering the language completely independent to speak English, Mandarin, French, Spanish, Japanese, should look at the globalized world as a whole and not as one who currently has technology, because as you put it, what moves the world is the very $$$$$$ China, Russia, India and Brazil are showing this to the world.
Greetings.
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11. Jan Egert
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Roberto, I completely agree with you that each case must be treated separately. I also appreciate the arguments you have made, and I agree with all. I truly hope that the World Cup can be the launch pad for South Africa and Brazil to truly launch them into the highly-developed nation’s category.
I think we came to disagreements because my study was mainly focused on the financial burden with the facilities, while your arguments are focused on different areas. I personally believe that my study is small - in the sense that to try and create an accurate model to predict success or failure, there are many more factors that need to be considered, many of which you have introduced.
With that in mind, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to learn from your thoughts and opinions, if at all possible I would like to learn further.
Thank you in advance
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12.Alison Dwyer
Director, Smith & Smith PR, public relations agency
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As a white female Irish South African I am well aware of the risks of living in South Africa. Now that I live in England I am now well aware of the risks of the UK's media bias! I really had a 'throw my toys..' moment reading on LinkedIn and other media the pros and cons of the World Cup in SA. (Mostly scare-mongering drivel) Yes there are many 'issues' about holding the event in SA, equally, there are, and always will be 'issues' in many countries. We have had numerous world-class events on our shores, we have a buoyant tourism market, all evidence enough that not only are we capable of hosting the World Cup, and like Brazil after us, making it an exuberant, fun, sensational event. Don't get bogged down with the fact that you can't define Africa or Brazil in terms of western norms or labels (non-traditional, first/third world). Oh, but one last thing that I did forget to mention, we have Tokoloshes! http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/47321.html
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